Hiroki Kato: Leaving Corporate Japan, Exposing Fraud in Vietnam & Building Asia’s Expert Knowledge Network – E670
Hiroki Kato, Founder of Arches and Jeremy Au discuss how leaving a safe Japanese corporate career pushed Hiroki into Southeast Asia’s faster markets, where exposure to fraud, cultural contrast, and insider truth reshaped his view of risk and opportunity. They explore how Vietnam’s optimism expanded his ambition, why public data often hides reality, and how expert conversations became the foundation for building Arches. The discussion connects personal courage with business execution, showing how disciplined hiring, focused delivery, and human trust systems built a competitive expert network.
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Youtube: https://youtu.be/8CqqMnf5-Cw"When I talk with ex-accounting staff, the management used investor money to buy their personal stuff like villas or houses. The management asked their staff not to share any information with the investor side, especially consultants, telling them, If you share any information you’ll be fired. That policy stayed internal and I got a lot of information like that. Of course this research cannot provide all the information." - Hiroki Kato, Founder of Arches
"First of all people are young. But not only young, they’re energetic and believe in the future. They always expect a bright future, so their behavior is active, aggressive, and positive. That expanded my horizon because I was born and grew up in Japan in a mature market. In Vietnam the living environment is not perfect, but for me it is much more fantastic and much more fun than living in Japan." - Hiroki Kato, Founder of Arches
"Long story short, I had experience seeing issues in the market and at the same time wanted to solve them through one interview with specific people. I realized there was an issue in the market and a solution there, so I decided to do it. That experience changed my life." - Hiroki Kato, Founder of Arches
Mike Mate: Philippine Startup Fog, Founder Grit & Betting on the Future – E669
Mike Mate, General Partner at Kickstart Ventures, joins Jeremy Au to trace how personal risk shaped his investing philosophy and how grit defines the Philippine startup ecosystem. They explore Mike’s path from history student to lawyer to venture capitalist, and how each transition built the mindset required to allocate capital under uncertainty. The conversation connects AI to past industrial revolutions, explains why Southeast Asia imports frontier technology instead of inventing it, and examines the structural hurdles blocking iconic Philippine exits. Mike shares how consumer demand drives opportunity, why late stage foreign capital decides ecosystem success, and how Filipino founders survive funding droughts through cultural obligation and persistence. Together they argue that the region’s advantage is not hype or capital abundance, but disciplined courage to build through uncertainty.
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1axpdKiAOCmljehIdzhq4i?si=6108add2c2ce4723
Youtube: https://youtu.be/0yS7kJZoFAI
"For example, the way we think about AI: the steam engine and the railroad. Before they were invented, you were limited by your muscle power. You could only walk so far in one day. You could only travel as far as your horse could go. When the steam engine and the railroad were invented, your muscle power became unlimited. You could travel anywhere. You could move heavy loads across very long distances that were impossible before. It changed how people understood physical power and what they could do in their world. It opened massive possibilities and changed the world for the better." - Mike Mate, General Partner at Kickstart Ventures
"Now with AI, what does that do? AI changes your intellectual power. Before AI, we could only compute so many times a day. We get tired. We sleep. Our computers could only do so many things. Now AI works the same way the steam engine made muscle power irrelevant. AI has made intellectual limitations irrelevant. In the same way the railroad and the steam engine opened the world for us, AI will open the world and the universe for us. That is how I tie history together. History gives lessons from the past and helps correlate them to what we see in the future." - Mike Mate, General Partner at Kickstart Ventures
"It is forward thinking. As a corporate venture capital firm, our role is to work on things Ayala or Globe are not thinking about. We invested in a cultivated meat company. That is meat grown in a bioreactor. The underlying technology is stem cells. You take stem cells from an animal, place them in a bioreactor, and that becomes the meat. We invest in a company that produces the strongest stem cells in the industry. Their stem cells divide indefinitely and never die. Every downstream producer must use these cells because they are the fundamental technology. Ayala is not working on this today. They are not thinking about it. In 10 or 20 years, Ayala will own a company that underpins an entire global food industry." - Mike Mate, General Partner at Kickstart Ventures
Aik Chuan Goh: Uber Lessons, Search Funds & The Future of Southeast Asia SMEs – E668
Aik Chuan (A.C.) Goh, Founder of Singapore’s first traditional search fund, joins Jeremy Au to unpack how operators evolve from startup builders into long-term business stewards. They explore lessons from Uber’s Southeast Asia expansion, why localization determines platform winners, and how consulting shaped A.C.’s decision-making framework. The conversation covers the limits of venture capital in personalized industries like education, the hidden succession crisis inside Singapore SMEs, and how search funds bridge retiring founders with new leadership. Aik Chuan also shares why disciplined capital structures matter, how growth still exists in mature markets, and why conviction requires respecting experience without surrendering belief in your thesis.
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3CKesDZUxmpZSuGO4LUTEj?si=ddfe276b59364cba
Youtube: https://youtu.be/aakACheMfS8
“So I went to McKinsey. It had always been my dream to see what was behind the curtain. I heard many people ask why I made the jump. At Uber, we worked with many consultants, and their ability to synthesize issues quickly and communicate clearly was remarkable. It felt like watching magic. I wanted to understand that skill and the secret behind it. The fastest way was to join McKinsey and learn directly from the best.” - Aik Chuan (A.C.) Goh, Founder of Singapore’s First Traditional Search Fund
“I fully expected consulting to mean heavy travel and tough problems. What surprised me was that even as the most junior person in Singapore, you could call a 20-year social media veteran or an automotive procurement expert in the US, and a partner would pick up and tell you everything you needed to know about the industry. That level of access was unexpected.” - Aik Chuan (A.C.) Goh, Founder of Singapore’s First Traditional Search Fund
“The number one thing I took away was the ability to make decisions quickly by building assumptions and running an iterative loop to reach a conclusion, testing whether it holds, adjusting the assumptions, and flipping again. I learned to be comfortable that decisions are made this way even at the most senior level. You never have enough data. No one does. The skill is bringing in enough data to iterate and keep moving. That was one of the biggest takeaways.” - Aik Chuan (A.C.) Goh, Founder of Singapore’s First Traditional Search Fund
BRAVE: VC Ghosting, Portfolio Math & The Brutal Truth About Startup Survival - E667
Jeremy Au breaks down how venture capital really works after the check clears. He explains how VCs silently re-rank startups every year, why most companies get deprioritized, and how a tiny number of winners carry an entire fund. The discussion covers angel buyouts, secondaries, IPO strategy, and the tension between founders and boards during exits. It’s a candid look at portfolio math, hidden incentives, and the survival rules founders rarely hear out loud.
Youtube: https://youtu.be/olMGc9S99b8
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1pStZmngpL9yp2TON7S5OW?si=b88fb7529e604aab
"It's very important because VC funds are always scoring in their heads: if I’ve invested in 20 or 40 companies, which ones are the home runs that return the portfolio more? Which ones do I want to support because they have a shot? Which ones do I delegate because I don’t want to spend time there? Or who am I going to ghost? They won’t do anything so brutal as saying, “Hey we deprioritized you.” They won’t say that out loud because it feels bad and sounds bad. You never know the startup might figure it out after three or four years and suddenly take off like a rocket ship, and then the VC comes back and says, “Hey, we’ve always been supportive of you and we love you so much.” The founder knows, “Okay, you ghosted me for three years.” That’s the industry norm." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech Podcast
"The key thing is imagine you’re a VC looking at your portfolio and asking, am I going to put my money into supporting companies that are losers? No. My unicorns don’t need much help because they don’t even return my calls now; they’re everywhere and doing fine. My large wins are also doing well and don’t really need me, but maybe I can push them a little more and they become unicorn outcomes. Then the small wins can I push them higher? VCs concentrate their resources in the band of companies they believe can turn into small wins or large wins." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech Podcast
"A very underrated art is portfolio management. Even after deciding where to put the first check, a VC reassesses multiple times and asks, “Do I want to spend more time on this company? Are they on track or off track?” They must allocate time, resources, and attention. If after two years a startup keeps asking for help and the VC decides it won’t make it, the VC can tell the head of recruitment, “Please deprioritize this company. Save your time for companies that can be home runs.” This is a brutal mechanic most founders don’t see: even after investment, partners continue judging them throughout the time frame." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech Podcast
Kamil Pabis: Why Health Hits a Ceiling, Longevity Needs Drugs & Science Moves Too Slowly - E666
Youtube:https://youtu.be/rzikUSniS3w
Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/episode/2ZaDDka6bfQvfPg5pNNwxy?si=bbb7680589d2455e
"Singapore performs strongly in both health policy and research. Geopolitically it stands out as a stable, low-corruption hub in Southeast Asia. The government takes population health seriously, which contrasts sharply with the United States, where average life expectancy is nearly ten years lower. This gap is why some people describe Singapore as a blue zone, a term used in the health community to describe places with unusually high life expectancy where researchers look for shared factors that explain longer lives." - Kamil Pabis, Longevity Researcher in Singapore
"There is mounting evidence that even small amounts of alcohol are harmful, although this has been controversial for decades. Long-running debates in nutrition and prevention focus on whether a famous single glass of wine is beneficial because it may reduce cardiovascular disease while slightly increasing cancer risk. We do not know the answer, and it is not the most important question, because it mainly affects people who already have optimal diets deciding between zero, one, or two glasses. At the population level, larger gains still come from addressing low-hanging fruit. Messaging should remain accurate. If a safe amount of alcohol exists, it should be stated clearly. If no safe amount exists, that should also be communicated honestly." - Kamil Pabis, Longevity Researcher in Singapore
"The key idea is that a single driving force, or a small set of fundamental forces, causes most age-related diseases. A doctor or wellness practitioner treats people who are sick or close to being sick by targeting the specific disease they have. Longevity research instead targets the underlying aging process itself. The approach is fundamentally different." - Kamil Pabis, Longevity Researcher in Singapore
Kamil Pabis, a longevity researcher based in Singapore, joins Jeremy Au to unpack why extending a healthy lifespan needs systems thinking, not quick hacks. They define longevity as targeting aging itself, explain why academia both enables and constrains progress, and show how Singapore’s policy choices support longer lives. They also discuss the biohacker pipeline, the promise of drugs like rapamycin, and why regulation and trial design slow real proof in humans.
BRAVE: Founder Control VS. VC Governance, Exit Risk & Value Protection - E665
Youtube: https://youtu.be/yQWLfgyQLBo
Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/episode/4MAT3nz6n9m7R7QxMzJqnb?si=55b1d944023c4e16
"ChatGPT OpenAI may look like a Goliath today as the clear market leader, but there is a non-zero chance of the company failing, especially if there is an AI crash. We already saw this risk during the board control dispute, when questions about AI safety and trust in Sam Altman as CEO led to real value destruction. If Altman had been forced to leave, OpenAI would have followed a very different trajectory, with some arguing the value might have been higher and others believing it would have been much lower, which is something worth thinking carefully about." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech Podcast
"VCs need to be thoughtful not only about selecting the right teams but also about helping them survive the early stage. Many incubators and accelerators, especially those working with very early startups, spend significant time coaching founders, teaching them how to work together, and connecting them with people who can help." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech Podcast
"Even though it is well known that older founders have a higher chance of success because they have more experience, more self-awareness, and are less likely to make bad decisions, VCs still tend to invest in younger founders. One explanation discussed in the research is that older entrepreneurs often have more resources and can self-fund their progress, so they do not need to sell as much equity. As a result, VCs may index toward younger founders who need venture capital and where VCs believe they can add more value." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech PodcastJeremy Au discusses how value is created, preserved, and lost in Southeast Asian startups, focusing on governance, control rights, and exit risk. The conversation looks at real founder–investor breakdowns, regulatory shocks, and why weak structure often shows up only when things go wrong. It explains why growth alone is not enough, and how control, trust, and exit planning shape outcomes in emerging markets.
BRAVE: Why Startups Fail: Power Laws, Failure Patterns & Being Too Early - E664
Youtube:https://youtu.be/LvUH1St6Y6E
Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/episode/2PDVDmrwDuIO12NcGQKb8n?si=bb8c03054cc144fc
"Founders can also choose to build new companies, so I call them rebound, revenge, and rebirth. Rebound founders are comfortable with the identity of being a founder, so they move to the next idea as quickly as possible without thinking it through. It is like a rebound relationship right after a breakup. They build a rebound startup because as long as they are doing a startup, they still have an identity and can still fundraise. There are also revenge startups. For example, a founder was fired from a benefits platform by the board and then went on to build a direct competitor. The original company was a unicorn and later collapsed, while the new company became a billion-dollar all-in-one HR platform." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech Podcast
"All startups are bets. They are bets on the future. They are bets that the future will become reality. They are bets that this company wins the race. They are bets that regulators will not regulate the company out of existence. In each round, investors pay more to find out what the bet really is. The real question is whether the risk taken matches the reward. From both the investor and founder perspective, founders can fail, but they are pioneers of a new world, and they teach us what can work and what cannot work." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech Podcast"AI robots are back. They may have been too early for their time because hardware is now cheaper, indoor sensors are more available, facial recognition middleware is more powerful, and language is now powered by ChatGPT. AI robots are back for social robots. Jibo is a great example of this. They failed, but they were also ahead of their time, a pioneer of social robots. Today, we already know there will be AI-powered teddy bears." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech Podcast
Jeremy Au breaks down why most startups fail even after raising capital and why failure is often misunderstood by founders, investors, and the media. Drawing from venture data and real startup case studies, the discussion unpacks common failure patterns, the role of timing and macro forces, and why economic failure does not always mean bad judgment. The episode reframes failure as part of innovation, while staying honest about incentives, power laws, and investor reality.
BRAVE: VC Term Sheets VS. Founder Control, Valuation Myths, Governance & Deal Failure - E663
Youtube:https://youtu.be/NkyBN1lpPPc
Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/episode/3hvcfx1VO09gTf8RxjNbqw?si=1b84cca7134a4d35
"I met a founder in Singapore who was crying. I asked why. He had received a term sheet that was onerous on both economic and control rights. More importantly, it was an exploding term sheet that had to be signed immediately or it would be withdrawn. He called his lawyer, who told him not to sign, but he did anyway because he felt there was no alternative. The next day, he regretted it. He could not sleep. From a founder’s perspective, that is deeply sad. From a VC perspective, you have to respect the investor, because they effectively secured the company at about half the price." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech Podcast
"Is my company worth this much? Egos often get in the way. I know a startup that had an opportunity to raise money at a price that was effectively flat to the prior round. The prior-round investor refused to sign, vetoed the deal, and pushed for a higher valuation. The company failed to close the capital and died about a year later. This shows the dynamic where, as an incoming VC, you are negotiating not just with the founder, but also with the board and early shareholders." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech Podcast
"Another important issue is control rights. When someone asks for a high valuation, you can trade valuation for control rights to manage risk. These rights shape governance between founders, management, early shareholders, and later shareholders. They matter more than many founders realize. Over time, control disputes have destroyed many companies." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech PodcastJeremy Au breaks down how venture capital deals really close, why many fail after the term sheet, and how financial and control rights shape outcomes for founders and investors over a 10-year relationship. Drawing from real cases across Southeast Asia, he explains the hidden trade-offs behind valuation, governance, and trust, and why “good economics” can still destroy long-term value if handled poorly.
Beatrice Lion: From No-Pay Intern to Global VC, Betting Early on AI & Blockchain – E662
Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/episode/5ce0UwMlbOnzKtIo8hJ2r6?si=37673d1d261d47df
Youtube:https://youtu.be/2ZN82aIYPk8
"Everyone is afraid of using AI in their tools because they see it as a black box and do not understand the generated responses. We invested in a company called OpenTopic that focused on generating content for media agencies. That opportunity mirrors why Bitcoin emerged in the first place, which was the failure of the traditional financial system where infrastructure was not robust enough and bank runs occurred. New players entered and asked why there should not be a decentralized system where, in Bitcoin’s case, no one even knows who started it and the system is fair to everyone." - Beatrice Lion, General Partner and CEO of True Global Ventures
"I wanted to be the technophile, the one who says, have you heard about this exciting thing that is happening. That was a pivotal moment for me to decide I wanted to be in this industry because it is where innovation is. I like being the person who introduces new technology to my friends. I do not want to be the technology lagger or the last to adopt something new. I want to be the one who asks, how are you not using this yet. That is what drew me in, and it is the same reason I wanted to enter at that moment and why I feel the same way about AI today." - Beatrice Lion, General Partner and CEO of True Global Ventures
"That moment coincided with the launch of ChatGPT, when AI became understood by the mainstream as a truly transformative technology. More people started using it and became less afraid of it, which made it the right time to deploy into these companies because clients were now asking what AI could help them do. That also made it a bad time to leave, because I did not want to miss being part of this fund at that moment. The pattern kept repeating, and I never felt like I was stagnating or done learning. That is why I never wanted to do anything else, not just for the economic incentive, but because it is always exciting to be part of real innovation." - Beatrice Lion, General Partner and CEO of True Global Ventures
Beatrice Lion, General Partner and CEO of True Global Ventures, joins Jeremy Au to unpack how early conviction, long cycles, and hands-on learning shaped her path from finance student to venture capital leader. They explore why blockchain and AI only look obvious in hindsight, how decentralization solves real risks created by centralized platforms, and why hype often masks weak demand rather than weak technology. The conversation covers building a venture fund from self-funded roots to institutional scale, navigating fundraising and regulation, and what it takes to grow as an investor across multiple market cycles. Beatrice also shares how staying in one firm for years can still mean many different careers, and why resilience and judgment matter more than timing.
Rocky Yu: Inside AGI House, Talent Density & Why AI Is Built by Communities – E661
Youtube:https://youtu.be/26iWt5AumoU
Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/episode/0xOyQBUFZdfmd0sZuidXQv?si=e5631fe2140642a3"I finished college at 20. I grew up in a rural area of China with limited resources, but I developed strong curiosity early about how the rest of the world looked. Right after college, I spent two and a half years traveling the world with no money. I earned some income from university research work, bought a one-way ticket to Europe and the US, and lived by couch surfing, hitchhiking, and camping across unfamiliar places. I often did not know where I would sleep the next day or what I would eat, but things always worked out. The best and worst part was the same thing: dealing with uncertainty. As a founder and entrepreneur, you face uncertainty every day, every moment." - Rocky Yu, Founder and CEO of AGI House
"I did not need to live that way. I had family support in any situation, but I chose to do it out of curiosity. I wanted to understand the rest of the world, what young people like me were doing, and what they truly cared about. I do not believe that visiting a place for a few days is enough. I deliberately spent long periods living at their level to see and experience life as it was. I carried a 70-liter backpack with a tent and sleeping bag and traveled around the world." - Rocky Yu, Founder and CEO of AGI House
"We have seen many stories, and one word comes up often: resilience. You need to be extremely resourceful and resilient. People talk a lot about talent, but the world is not short of it. What differentiates people is who goes the extra mile to make things happen. When you realize, as Steve Jobs said, that the world is built by people no smarter than you, your perception changes. You realize you can be anyone and build anything." - Rocky Yu, Founder and CEO of AGI House
Rocky Yu, Founder and CEO of AGI House, joins Jeremy Au to unpack how early curiosity in computer graphics led him from engineering and startups to building one of the world’s most influential AI communities. They explore why talent density matters more than scale, how AGI House emerged during the pandemic as a mission-first experiment, and what it takes to turn deep technical conversations into real companies. The conversation covers Rocky’s journey from academia to entrepreneurship, how dinners and hackathons sparked breakout AI startups, and why AGI should be understood as a system of applied intelligence rather than a single god-like model. Rocky also shares his views on resilience, uncertainty, and how young people and parents should think about work, purpose, and opportunity in an AI-shaped future.
Eldred Wee: Inside Southeast Asia’s SME Gold Rush, Double Books & the Roll-Up Playbook – E660
Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/episode/2BrjbJUS3XpWYmvLGh7vZN?si=5462d127d03a4b2f
Youtube:https://youtu.be/BZ3qCcezrcU
"Why do I make the decision for six lives? That was when I was brave enough to tell her, crying, ‘Mommy, I’ll be a good boy. I’ll listen to anything you say.’ I said, ‘I don’t want to die. I really don’t want to die. I choose life.’ We survived. I have my child, she is now a grandmother, and my sister has a child too. That moment toughened me and shaped why relationships matter so much to me. People ask why I’m afraid of heights, and I say no, because I almost jumped before." - Eldred Wee, Founder of Edenity
"With AI, vouching is now automated, but vouching means checking whether a real receipt and invoice match the bank statement and the full flow of money. When I reviewed the engagement, I saw receivables rising, sales increasing, and the sales director constantly trying to curry favor every time I visited. I worked on that audit for three years and kept thinking something was wrong. If we did the audit properly, it would not pass. In the first year, I reported it and was told to just close the audit. In the second year, I said I could not do this anymore and that I would take action if it continued. By the third year, everything unraveled." - Eldred Wee, Founder of Edenity
"Audit meant working late, juggling studies and exam periods, and grinding through long nights. I learned a lot and almost uncovered a fraud as a junior. It was hard to navigate because there were many stakeholders. I had to extract information from people who partly knew the truth, piece it together for the finance manager, and then report it clearly to the audit partners. That experience was unique and shaped why I started in accounting and finance." - Eldred Wee, Founder of Edenity
Eldred Wee, Founder of Edenity, joins Jeremy Au to unpack why corporate services and accounting firms sit at the center of Southeast Asia’s next wave of SME acquisitions. They explore how Eldred’s early career in Big Four audit shaped his ability to spot incentives, fraud, and double or triple books, and why these realities define investing in the region. The conversation covers the rise of roll-ups in accounting and corporate services, why organic growth is hard for B2B services in Southeast Asia, and how aging founders and low digitization are creating a narrow transition window for buyers. Eldred also shares why price arbitrage alone rarely works, how culture and trust determine post-deal success, and why relationship-driven execution matters more than capital in small business M&A.
Florian Hoppe: Southeast Asia’s Digital Resilience, AI Infrastructure & the Next Growth Wave - E659
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/147TDmaS0ERT97vsTDwQf6?si=ad8265642b4d4463
Youtube: https://youtu.be/8XLdOWAnULY
"Two things stood out this year. First, the continued positive momentum. Many expected growth to slow due to global economic headwinds and several high-profile issues in Southeast Asia’s digital economy, yet we still saw double-digit growth in GMV and revenue, more sectors turning profitable, and major platform players performing strongly. Competition remains intense, with constant shifts and new trends emerging, but the overall trajectory stays clearly positive. Second, the focus on AI in Southeast Asia. What stands out is the region’s strong optimism toward AI, with interest levels three times the global average and net positivity higher than any other region." - Florian Hoppe, Partner at Bain"The headwinds came mainly from global macro trends, including trade wars and tariffs. Southeast Asia largely escaped these impacts, even though there was a moment in April and May when uncertainty was high. GDP continues to trend up, and the digital economy has held up well, with double-digit growth across all sectors we examined. While some markets saw high-profile startup failures and audit issues, these did not detract from overall momentum. Beneath the surface, competition remains intense, especially in e-commerce where platform market shares shifted significantly, but the broader direction is still clearly positive." - Florian Hoppe, Partner at Bain
"Once the infrastructure layers are built, essentially laying the rails and pavement, we see a massive boom in data center investment across the region, alongside the emergence of strong local talent. The real opportunity sits in the enabling layer, which can unlock significant new business opportunities in the digital economy over the next decade. AI will reshape and enhance existing digital sectors, but it will also open new growth in areas that were previously constrained, especially healthcare and education." - Florian Hoppe, Partner at Bain
Florian Hoppe, Partner at Bain, joins Jeremy Au to unpack insights from the Bain Southeast Asia Digital Economy Report 2025 and explain why the region’s digital economy keeps growing despite global uncertainty and negative headlines. They explore the long-term forces behind this resilience, including consumer adoption, payments and logistics infrastructure, and sustained middle-class demand. The conversation covers the expansion from ASEAN six to ASEAN ten, how regional scale really works for founders, and why competition from China and global players continues to fuel innovation. Florian also explains why AI and data centers should be seen as foundational utilities, how local AI solutions create real value in healthcare and education, and what investors, policymakers, and parents should focus on as Southeast Asia enters its next digital decade.
BRAVE: How VCs Actually Think About Founders, Unicorns & Growth - E658
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1pBgSYGCnUAryHvtJGuJDb?si=7b1c2ba2a2d947a2
Youtube: https://youtu.be/xTImaXI-9-g
"Startup founders have to always make a decision because they either have to persevere or pivot because they are always going through some level of crisis. Persevere means continuing what they are doing, or pivot means changing what they are doing. Founders have to iterate and find the right problem, then finally arrive at the right solution. I was talking to a startup founder and it took him 15 years to generate product-market fit. He built one company, then built another company to service his first company’s problem, and that company ended up being successful. If you look at Slack, it was built by a game developer. They started building their own messaging system, realized the messaging system was a better idea than the game, and Slack was born because they had a problem communicating effectively." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech Podcast
"We look at Mark Zuckerberg and other founders today and see how amazing they are, and they seem like no-brainers. He is an MIT dropout, and there are incredible stories attached to that. But these are stories told looking back. The tricky part is looking forward. There are 100 MIT dropouts, and most of them are dropping out to build startups, so which one will succeed? There is a gap between who a founder is today and their ability to build a unicorn in the next 10 years. That gap is shaped by time, grit, perseverance, VC support, luck, and macro timing. All of these play a role. The real challenge is choosing one unicorn founder out of 40 top founders who are all scrambling for a VC check." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech Podcast"When a VC meets a startup, the question is whether it will become a unicorn in 10 years. Is there a way for it to double this year, then double again next year, and so on. I recently reviewed a company with a strong founder in the AI space. After consideration, we felt the historical growth rate was not there, and we did not believe it could accelerate fast enough. We decided to say no, even though many friends had already invested or planned to invest. It was a difficult conversation, but we could not see clear differentiation from other AI startups. VCs are ultimately looking for founders who can build a unicorn over the next 10 years." - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia Tech Podcast
Jeremy Au breaks down how venture capitalists actually think about startups, founder selection, and long-term value creation. Drawing from real VC decisions, classroom debates, and emerging technologies, he explains why learning speed beats polish, why most “obvious” winners only look obvious in hindsight, and how founders navigate pivots, problem selection, and 10× breakthroughs. The conversation also explores how strange technologies move from science fiction to commercialization, and how VCs evaluate scale, network effects, and unit economics in practice.
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Kelvin Chan: From Math to Google AI, Nano Banana, How It’s Built & Where It’s Headed – E657
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“I hope that AI becomes a partner to people rather than something that replaces or eliminates humans. I believe that in ten years AI will be more reliable, allowing us to trust it with many tasks. If robots become common, that is a good thing because they save time on labor like washing dishes. Today, language models still hallucinate, so we double-check their work. In the future, I hope we can rely on AI without constant verification, coexisting with it and becoming far more productive together.” - Kelvin Chan, AI researcher at Google
“One year ago, I did not expect image editing or image generation to become this good. There is always something new in this field, which is why I stay excited working in AI at Google. We do not know where the limit is, and that uncertainty drives me every day. Ironically, I have no artistic sense at all, yet I work on images. When I take photos for friends, they usually retake them because I cannot frame good shots. That became a motivation for me to work on image editing and generation, because now I can take a random photo and ask AI to adjust the angle or make it more artistic. It is genuinely useful, and it saves me from my friends’ sarcasm.” - Kelvin Chan, AI researcher at Google
“Google encourages us to use the AI tools we build because using them is the fastest way to understand what people need and what can be improved. When we build the tools and then use them ourselves, we learn how to refine them and create better models for the public. This feedback loop makes the work more effective and is what makes this an exciting moment to be working at the frontier of AI.” - Kelvin Chan, AI researcher at Google
Kelvin Chan, an AI researcher at Google, joins Jeremy Au to unpack his unconventional path from mathematics in Hong Kong to applied AI research across Singapore and the United States. They explore how AI research differs from traditional academic work, why iteration and results often matter more than theory, and how scale has transformed research culture from small experiments to highly collaborative, compute-heavy systems. The conversation covers the rapid evolution of image and video models including Google’s Nano Banana model, the push toward world modeling and embodied AI, and how AI tools are reshaping daily productivity for engineers. Kelvin also reflects on choosing AI in 2018 before it was mainstream, and why he believes the long-term future lies in AI as a trusted partner that augments human work rather than replaces it.
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Jianggan Li: China Brands Invasion, Stealth M&A Trojan Horses & Darwinian Competition – E656
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“From an ecosystem point of view, this year we have been talking to many brand operators and retailers who are being impacted by Chinese competitors, and you should feel threatened by the ones who know how to localize. If they do not know how to localize, that is actually a good thing for local players, because if you exclude half of the population as your customers, you will eventually have problems. These are the ones you should look at and study their playbook, and if they can adapt parts of that playbook to this market, maybe you can adapt parts of that playbook as well.” - Jianggan Li, Founder of Momentum Works
“Many F&B players in China see Southeast Asia as a natural extension for expansion for a few reasons. The region is historically linked to China in cuisine types, taste preferences, and the raw materials that can be sourced. In some cases, they can easily tap into supply chains in China, or Chinese suppliers can set up factories locally, which allows them to expand faster. When you look at Chinese F&B players setting up in Southeast Asia, many do not resemble traditional restaurants focused on cooking meals. They operate more like factories.” - Jianggan Li, Founder of Momentum Works
“It is a big shock for many Singapore F&B retailers because there is both a business angle and a societal angle. On the business side, Chinese restaurants sell cheaper, turn tables faster, secure strong locations, and appear backed by investor capital, which makes local players feel outcompeted economically. On the social side, Singapore is a multiethnic society, and for people who are not Chinese or Chinese-speaking, the experience can be difficult. Many outlets are not halal, the menus and ordering systems are in Mandarin, and there is little localization, which makes the experience feel exclusive and closed off to racial or language minorities.” - Jeremy Au, Host of BRAVE Southeast Asia PodcastJianggan Li joins Jeremy Au to break down why Chinese consumer, F&B, and hardware companies are expanding so aggressively into Southeast Asia and global markets. Drawing from years of observing Chinese operators and supply chains, they explore how brutal competition inside China forces firms to look outward, why Southeast Asia becomes a natural first testing ground, and how factory-style operations reshape local markets. The conversation covers why many Chinese brands delay localization, how fast natural selection plays out among entrants, and why the most dangerous competitors are those that adapt quietly. Jianggan also explains how low interest rates, capital controls, and brand acquisitions shape expansion strategies, and what founders and investors in Southeast Asia should learn from this wave of competition.
Lance Katigbak: BCG Filipino Family Report, Overseas Foreign Workers & Health Shocks – E655
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"One of the headline stats we identified was that 64% of families would not be able to afford a hospital bill of 10,000 pesos without having to borrow or use an HMO or health insurance plan. Ten thousand pesos is under 200 US dollars, an extremely small amount of money, and the fact that two thirds of the population is unable to afford that was quite shocking." - Lance Katigbak, Principal at BCG Manila
"The first thing we learned is that there are six different kinds of Filipino families. When asked to define a family, most people describe two parents and two kids, but in reality this standard nuclear structure represents less than half of the Philippine population. The third and more interesting segment is multi earner families, where more than two people work and make a living. These include sandwich families made up of grandparents, parents, and kids, as well as extended families that add an uncle, cousin, or another relative." - Lance Katigbak, Principal at BCG Manila
"So we ran a survey called the Filipino Dream last year, and the top two dreams that emerged were financial security to absorb health scares and starting a business. To understand why these rank highest, it is important to note that when Filipinos talk about financial security against health risks, they are not most afraid of getting sick themselves but of a family member getting sick. When a mother or grandmother falls ill, the entire family is expected to pitch in and help pay for the hospital bill." - Lance Katigbak, Principal at BCG ManilaLance Katigbak, Principal at BCG Manila, joins Jeremy Au to break down why Filipino households, not individuals, are the true drivers of economic decisions in the Philippines. Drawing from BCG’s large scale research on the Filipino family, they explore how family structures shape spending, saving, and borrowing behavior, and why health risk sits at the center of financial anxiety. The conversation covers multi earner and extended households, the role of informal lending, and how overseas Filipino workers remain deeply involved in family decisions from abroad. Lance also explains why most products miss the market by designing for individuals, and how companies can unlock real opportunity by building for the household instead.
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Annie Huang: Taiwan’s Succession Crisis, Search Funds & Returning to Win Locally – E654
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“The bravest moment in my life was deciding to have my twin boys during my two years of MBA and still graduating on time. I walked on stage to receive my diploma with a child in each arm, and that was the bravest thing I have done. I did this while completing a Harvard MBA and launching a search fund at the same time, which still feels mind-blowing.” - Annie Huang, Founder of Taiwan’s first traditional search fund
“There are pros and cons to it. On the plus side, when I am doing search fund work, many sellers are older gentlemen or their wives, and they are genuinely delighted to hear that I have kids because it signals seriousness and commitment. Many side conversations naturally shift to children. You cannot build trust by talking about sales or operations, but you can build trust by talking about how you play with your grandkids or what their favorite snacks are. These kid-related topics are the best icebreakers and the strongest trust builders when speaking with people across generations.” - Annie Huang, Founder of Taiwan’s first traditional search fund
“Why not? If I had the chance to go overseas to see what top talents are learning and doing and to make friends with them, I did not want to lock myself on the island. That is a common islander mindset. You go overseas because an island is an island and you need to see the world. I knew I wanted a master’s degree in business and I wanted to do it before turning 30, while I still had the energy to work hard, do late nights, and explore what I had and what I lacked. So I did it, and I was fortunate to be admitted to Harvard.” - Annie Huang, Founder of Taiwan’s first traditional search fund
Annie Huang, Harvard MBA and founder of Taiwan’s first traditional search fund, joins Jeremy Au to share how global exposure shaped her decision to return home and build in a market others overlook. She traces her journey from growing up outside Taiwan’s major cities to working across Southeast Asia, then studying at Harvard Business School before choosing entrepreneurship over a conventional prestige path. Annie explains how Taiwanese capital and talent move fluidly across China, Southeast Asia, and the US, why aging founders and overseas children have created a real SME succession crisis, and how search funds offer a practical solution. They discuss her experience fundraising from both global and local investors, what daily life looks like as a searcher speaking with founders nearing retirement, and how becoming a mother during her MBA unexpectedly strengthened trust with business owners. Their conversation explores why the biggest opportunities often sit in familiar markets, how autonomy and equity drive long-term wealth, and what it takes to build conviction while balancing family, risk, and leadership.
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Violet Lim: Founding Asia’s Largest Matchmaker, Dating Stigma vs. Coaching and AI Romance Companions - E653
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“When people know that I’m a matchmaker, they ask me, ‘I don’t understand why she’s single.’ I tell them I don’t even need to meet their friend to explain why. I say, ‘For example, you say your friend is very good. On a scale of one to ten, how would you rate her?’ If your friend is an eight, what do you think she’s looking for? At least a nine. And if the guy is a nine, what is he looking for? A ten. It’s very simple. Your friend has two options. One option is she figures out how to move herself from an eight to a ten. Or she looks around and realizes the guys who are eights are actually amazing. These guys would love to get to know her better, but she doesn’t even give them the time of day.” - Violet Lim, Co-Founder & CEO of Lunch Actually Paktor Group
“WhatsApp critique is when someone messages you, because some people haven’t dated for a long time, or they dated in a completely different era. For example, the era I dated in had no messaging. Now everything is through text, and some people are just really bad at texting. If you think about it, there are so many options now. Unlike 21 years ago, people have Bumble and Tinder, and chances are they’re talking to many different people at the same time.” - Violet Lim, Co-Founder & CEO of Lunch Actually Paktor Group
“There are so many love scams. The reason love scams work is because the scammers, even though they are bad people, fulfill a certain need that people have. In a way, isn’t it better if people are not scammed but their needs are fulfilled through AI? Obviously, I don’t think this is the most ideal situation, and I’m still trying to focus on the solution I’m trying to roll out.” - Violet Lim, Co-Founder & CEO of Lunch Actually Paktor Group
Violet Lim, Co-Founder & CEO of Lunch Actually Paktor Group, and Jeremy Au explore how dating, expectations, and technology have evolved across Southeast Asia over the past two decades. Violet traces her path from studying law in the UK to banking in Singapore, before leaving a stable career at 24 to start Lunch Actually, now one of Asia’s longest-running matchmaking groups. They discuss the early stigma around dating services, why lunch dating worked as a low-pressure solution for busy professionals, and the realities of expanding across markets like Malaysia, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Their conversation digs into why some people find partners quickly while others repeat the same patterns, how coaching closes gaps in mindset and behavior, and why surface-level filters often block long-term compatibility. They also examine how dating apps reshaped expectations, how Gen Z, millennials, and Gen X approach dating differently, and how AI companionship is beginning to challenge traditional ideas of intimacy, loneliness, and commitment.
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Caylee Chua: Singapore’s First Renaissance Fair, Creative Grit and How a 24-Year-Old Built a New Festival Culture – E652
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"I'm really excited to introduce this concept to Singapore as an immersive outdoor festival. It is an outdoor event rooted in historical elements, typically from the English Renaissance. You will see people dressed as Queen Elizabeth or Shakespeare, alongside buskers playing period-appropriate instruments like the violin and harp. In recent years, Renaissance fairs have become more fantasy-focused, with people dressing as wizards, fairies, goblins, and rats. These fairs are usually held outdoors, with the most elaborate and established versions found in the United States." - Caylee Chua, Founder of Strawberry Champagne Sparkles
"Compared to other Renaissance Faires, our branding leans more toward fairytale because we wanted something more intuitive and closer to medieval fantasy. The obvious references are Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones, but those worlds are very dark, with a lot of death and violence. I tried to think of something adjacent that everyone in Singapore would understand. Many kids grew up with American and Western fairytales like Disney, which also makes the experience more family-friendly." - Caylee Chua, Founder of Strawberry Champagne Sparkles
"I was lucky with my strategy because I started my socials around April or May and used them as a landing page to build an early audience. I did not post on Instagram until August 3rd, and I made that launch a big moment. For the first few posts, every time I published something, I also sent an email asking people to reshare the content. That helped a lot. The early posts got many views because the initial audience really pushed them out, and that momentum helped us unlock more opportunities." - Caylee Chua, Founder of Strawberry Champagne Sparkles
Caylee Chua, multidisciplinary artist and founder of Strawberry Champagne Sparkles, joins Jeremy Au to share how she built Ren Faire SG: The Origin from a niche idea into Singapore’s first Renaissance Fair. She traces her journey from crafting fairycore jewelry to designing an immersive festival that blends artistry, performance, and community play. Caylee explains how early inspiration from overseas fairs sparked her vision, how months of quiet TikTok posts built the first wave of support, and how strict venue rules forced her to redesign logistics with precision. They discuss why Singaporeans crave spaces for imagination, how grassroots creativity grows when subcultures meet, and why young founders can move fast even without industry backing. Their conversation explores the mix of cosplay, crafts, DnD, book culture, and youth communities that shaped the fair, the emotional work behind cold outreach and rejections, and the courage required to keep building when early metrics stay small.
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Paul Blackstone: Global EdTech Lessons, China’s Hypergrowth Era and Why Mindset Beats Curriculum – E651
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“I went to the interview, it was partly in Spanish, my Spanish was terrible, and we still cobbled the interview together. Three days later he called and said, ‘I’ve got some good news and some bad news.’ I asked what the bad news was, and he said I didn’t get the teaching job. I asked what the good news was, and he said they were giving me the center manager role and that I needed to fly to Barcelona the next Monday for two weeks of training at the company’s headquarters. I thought, ‘Oh man, let’s do it.’” - Paul Blackstone, Founder of SummitLearn
"China was thriving at that time, and that was the rocket ship. It became an amazing opportunity to learn from a leadership perspective while scaling a business from something relatively small. It was a boiling pot of problems and challenges, but sometimes you have to take those opportunities. You’re going to get punched in the face, things will go wrong, there will always be something, but if you see growth and believe you can learn from it, you hang on because you don’t know where it will take you." - Paul Blackstone, Founder of SummitLearn
"To be an entrepreneur and create something new takes incredible courage and bravery. Anytime you step off and take that entrepreneurial journey, especially when you know it will take three times longer, cost three times as much, and be ten times more painful than you remember, that is brave. From the outside it looks easy, but on the inside you don’t know where the money is coming from to pay salaries that month. To be an entrepreneur and build something from zero demands real courage and bravery." - Paul Blackstone, Founder of SummitLearn
Paul Blackstone, longtime education operator and founder of SummitLearn, joins Jeremy Au to unpack his path from running a small health-food shop in Australia to leading one of China’s largest English-learning organizations and advising education companies worldwide. He shares how early failures taught him to learn fast, why teaching adults unlocked his passion for human development, and how China’s boom years shaped his leadership approach. They discuss how culture and discipline drive scale more than perfect products, why schools struggle to build creativity and mindset, and how parents can raise independent kids in an AI-first world. Their conversation explores the tension between academic metrics and behavioral growth, the power of founder-led culture in scaling teams, and why entrepreneurship can thrive both inside companies and in startup life. Paul also reflects on world-schooling his children, building Curio to fill classroom gaps, and why resilient learners will define the next generation.
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